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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by Richard Letts</title>
		<link>http://www.mca.org.au/discussion/index.php/2009/10/music-and-national-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Letts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today we have posted on the website the MCA study by Rachel Hocking into the mandatory music instruction included in the university training of people who will become primary school classroom teachers. (It&#039;s in the RESEARCH section.) This is the study referred to above that found that this music instruction occupied on average 17 hours out of the average 1,125 total hours instruction for the degree. A little less time on average is given to instruction in other arts subjects -- in that company, believe it or not, music is privileged!

1,108 hours is given in total to instruction in other subjects. Clearly, it is understood that for them 17 hours is not enough to produce a competent teacher. 

To offer only this amount of music instruction is some sort of charade. What are we pretending that these people will be able to teach? For seven primary school years? What can be the purpose other than to tick a box? I ask these question while knowing that there are university lecturers who use great ingenuity in bringing something worthwhile to their students -- but the situation is not fair for them either.

There are studies showing that the effect on the students of so little music instruction can be to convince them of their own incompetence and rob them of any confidence,  however unjustifiable, they might have had in introducing music activities in class. Without confidence, they may be inclined to quietly omit music, even where as in NSW, it is a mandatory part of the curriculum.

A solution, as is apparent from the study, is for the accreditation bodies to insist upon an adequate level of competence in music and music teaching as a condition of accreditation and therefore employment. 

A more credible solution is to employ music specialists to teach music in primary schools, preferably in collaboration with well-prepared classroom teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today we have posted on the website the MCA study by Rachel Hocking into the mandatory music instruction included in the university training of people who will become primary school classroom teachers. (It&#8217;s in the RESEARCH section.) This is the study referred to above that found that this music instruction occupied on average 17 hours out of the average 1,125 total hours instruction for the degree. A little less time on average is given to instruction in other arts subjects &#8212; in that company, believe it or not, music is privileged!</p>
<p>1,108 hours is given in total to instruction in other subjects. Clearly, it is understood that for them 17 hours is not enough to produce a competent teacher. </p>
<p>To offer only this amount of music instruction is some sort of charade. What are we pretending that these people will be able to teach? For seven primary school years? What can be the purpose other than to tick a box? I ask these question while knowing that there are university lecturers who use great ingenuity in bringing something worthwhile to their students &#8212; but the situation is not fair for them either.</p>
<p>There are studies showing that the effect on the students of so little music instruction can be to convince them of their own incompetence and rob them of any confidence,  however unjustifiable, they might have had in introducing music activities in class. Without confidence, they may be inclined to quietly omit music, even where as in NSW, it is a mandatory part of the curriculum.</p>
<p>A solution, as is apparent from the study, is for the accreditation bodies to insist upon an adequate level of competence in music and music teaching as a condition of accreditation and therefore employment. </p>
<p>A more credible solution is to employ music specialists to teach music in primary schools, preferably in collaboration with well-prepared classroom teachers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by Nicole Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with people such as MGL who say that music isn&#039;t valued in the Australian culture, because of examples from my own life. For example, evey Saturday I go to a pub and play old-timey music with up to 30 other people from all walks of life.  Look at attendence at folk festivals and concerts. I think what music education has to do is recognize different styles of music learning (aural, kinaesthetic, visual) and celebrate music as a part of daily life rather than a rareified subject.  I see the problem as one of commodification where our culture sees most people as consumers rather than producers of music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with people such as MGL who say that music isn&#8217;t valued in the Australian culture, because of examples from my own life. For example, evey Saturday I go to a pub and play old-timey music with up to 30 other people from all walks of life.  Look at attendence at folk festivals and concerts. I think what music education has to do is recognize different styles of music learning (aural, kinaesthetic, visual) and celebrate music as a part of daily life rather than a rareified subject.  I see the problem as one of commodification where our culture sees most people as consumers rather than producers of music.</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by Carmel Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmel Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was primary trained, and then added extra study, to work as a music specialist in primary schools.
This comment is anecdotal and is in support of making singing the basis of music learning for all children.
I worked in a country town in the 1960&#039;s era and gave music lessons to the children at three of the town&#039;s primary schools.
There had been no music programs at the schools before this.
When I left, after two years, the students had progressed from no music experience, to enthusiastic community singing programs, class sight singing[through the use of solfa,pitching keys with a tuning fork]
Reading, and successfully playing from, multi - instrument percussion scores and commencing, from year three up, recorder consort groups.
For the first six months all music was associated with singing before moving gradually towards the basic instrumental programs using percussion and recorders.
The hardest part of the task was working towards developing support from the classroom teachers who gradually came on board with my program when they saw that the children enjoyed, and were benefiting from their participation in music.
I have used this approach at any school in which I have worked.
I have been at my present school for many years and have been able to add a Choir program for students from years three to six. The Choir membership includes at least a third of the boys from these levels. It is great to hear children sing in the playground.
Singing is for everyone....the launching pad for playing , creating, dancing, dramatising, alone or with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was primary trained, and then added extra study, to work as a music specialist in primary schools.<br />
This comment is anecdotal and is in support of making singing the basis of music learning for all children.<br />
I worked in a country town in the 1960&#8217;s era and gave music lessons to the children at three of the town&#8217;s primary schools.<br />
There had been no music programs at the schools before this.<br />
When I left, after two years, the students had progressed from no music experience, to enthusiastic community singing programs, class sight singing[through the use of solfa,pitching keys with a tuning fork]<br />
Reading, and successfully playing from, multi &#8211; instrument percussion scores and commencing, from year three up, recorder consort groups.<br />
For the first six months all music was associated with singing before moving gradually towards the basic instrumental programs using percussion and recorders.<br />
The hardest part of the task was working towards developing support from the classroom teachers who gradually came on board with my program when they saw that the children enjoyed, and were benefiting from their participation in music.<br />
I have used this approach at any school in which I have worked.<br />
I have been at my present school for many years and have been able to add a Choir program for students from years three to six. The Choir membership includes at least a third of the boys from these levels. It is great to hear children sing in the playground.<br />
Singing is for everyone&#8230;.the launching pad for playing , creating, dancing, dramatising, alone or with others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by Roslyn Happ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roslyn Happ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cultural wall which prevents music from being done well in many classrooms relates more to insecurity and lack of confidence than anything.  I am a great believer in building strong foundations for music early.  To do this, it is essential that all teachers of young children actually reach a confident level of singing, moving and playing.  They should not be allowed to qualify without it.   In the short courses I run in primary schools, I have never found a child who cannot sing in tune and keep in time with a bit of individual help.  Trainee teachers need to be given that opportunity too.  look at &#039;The Choir of Hard Knocks&#039;.  Anyone can do it.  Increasing the hours of training for preservice teachers is important, but more important is deciding on &#039;what is actually required&#039; of them.  Some will require &#039;remedial help&#039; to get to that level.  Some will have to do a lot of work outside of their &#039;face to face&#039; music instruction in order to reach the required standard.  But let&#039;s first set that standard.  It doesn&#039;t have to be arduous.  It could be a lot of fun.  I run short programmes in primary schools in which I work with the class teachers and children together, usually three classes at a time for singing and movement.  From this, teachers learn the basic principles which enable the children to sing in tune and develop excellent listening skills.  I then give remedial help to the children who are not managing to sing in tune or move in time. It doesn&#039;t usually take much to see a huge improvement.  At the end of the six week course, we have a concert in which the children  have learnt numerous songs, created choreographies etc.  After a couple of these courses, very few children are singing out of tune and their listening skills and musicality have improved immensely.  Why not do this with our preservice teachers.  There is  nothing like &#039;doing it&#039; to build confidence.  
Go for it ... set the standard and if a pre-service teacher has to keep going to remedial classes for months .... so be it.  They will get there eventually and our children will benefit from having teachers who are not scared to sing and move and dance.  From this foundation in the early grade classrooms, everything follows.  Standards can be set higher with instrumental learning.  Music specialists don&#039;t have to teach the basics.  The musical life of the school and the community can blossom.  So I say, let&#039;s be clear, let&#039;s decide on that standard.  Raise the bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cultural wall which prevents music from being done well in many classrooms relates more to insecurity and lack of confidence than anything.  I am a great believer in building strong foundations for music early.  To do this, it is essential that all teachers of young children actually reach a confident level of singing, moving and playing.  They should not be allowed to qualify without it.   In the short courses I run in primary schools, I have never found a child who cannot sing in tune and keep in time with a bit of individual help.  Trainee teachers need to be given that opportunity too.  look at &#8216;The Choir of Hard Knocks&#8217;.  Anyone can do it.  Increasing the hours of training for preservice teachers is important, but more important is deciding on &#8216;what is actually required&#8217; of them.  Some will require &#8216;remedial help&#8217; to get to that level.  Some will have to do a lot of work outside of their &#8216;face to face&#8217; music instruction in order to reach the required standard.  But let&#8217;s first set that standard.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be arduous.  It could be a lot of fun.  I run short programmes in primary schools in which I work with the class teachers and children together, usually three classes at a time for singing and movement.  From this, teachers learn the basic principles which enable the children to sing in tune and develop excellent listening skills.  I then give remedial help to the children who are not managing to sing in tune or move in time. It doesn&#8217;t usually take much to see a huge improvement.  At the end of the six week course, we have a concert in which the children  have learnt numerous songs, created choreographies etc.  After a couple of these courses, very few children are singing out of tune and their listening skills and musicality have improved immensely.  Why not do this with our preservice teachers.  There is  nothing like &#8216;doing it&#8217; to build confidence.<br />
Go for it &#8230; set the standard and if a pre-service teacher has to keep going to remedial classes for months &#8230;. so be it.  They will get there eventually and our children will benefit from having teachers who are not scared to sing and move and dance.  From this foundation in the early grade classrooms, everything follows.  Standards can be set higher with instrumental learning.  Music specialists don&#8217;t have to teach the basics.  The musical life of the school and the community can blossom.  So I say, let&#8217;s be clear, let&#8217;s decide on that standard.  Raise the bar.</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by MGL</title>
		<link>http://www.mca.org.au/discussion/index.php/2009/10/music-and-national-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>MGL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do Australian&#039;s (beyond our body of believers who know and value the benefit of music education) really care about music?   

Unfortunately i think we are up against a huge cultural wall where singing and music isn&#039;t really seen as being important in our culture.   

To get the funding needed to compare with the Finnish and Venezuelen systems or for it to become a key component of the National Curriculum we need a real change in how Australians view music and it&#039;s importance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do Australian&#8217;s (beyond our body of believers who know and value the benefit of music education) really care about music?   </p>
<p>Unfortunately i think we are up against a huge cultural wall where singing and music isn&#8217;t really seen as being important in our culture.   </p>
<p>To get the funding needed to compare with the Finnish and Venezuelen systems or for it to become a key component of the National Curriculum we need a real change in how Australians view music and it&#8217;s importance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by Francis Fong</title>
		<link>http://www.mca.org.au/discussion/index.php/2009/10/music-and-national-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Fong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern about a national music curriculum is on its acceptance.  I have witnessed (and experienced) the pain of putting together the Western Australian WACE Music Course.  A lot of compromise (sometimes more political than educational) had to be made in order to receive support from teachers.  WA now has a music syllabus that is quite different from those in other states.   It will be an extremely difficult task for the national task force to draft a senior secondary music curriculum that is acceptable by teachers nationally.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern about a national music curriculum is on its acceptance.  I have witnessed (and experienced) the pain of putting together the Western Australian WACE Music Course.  A lot of compromise (sometimes more political than educational) had to be made in order to receive support from teachers.  WA now has a music syllabus that is quite different from those in other states.   It will be an extremely difficult task for the national task force to draft a senior secondary music curriculum that is acceptable by teachers nationally.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by Melanie Oxley</title>
		<link>http://www.mca.org.au/discussion/index.php/2009/10/music-and-national-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie Oxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There needs to be an attitude change across the whole system. Sport is given up to 3 hours within the teaching week, far out doing the amount of time it should have and what is given to Music, Dance or Drama. Visual Arts is also given more time aswell. My experience as a teacher for 17 years, is that teachers feel comfortable teaching Vis Arts and Sport so therefore will do this over Music, Dance and Drama which they don&#039;t feel comfortable teaching. They perceive it as being something you need to have a talent in before you can teach it.  Universities need to step up to the mark and prepare teachers to teach music properly, give it the respect it deserves and the time it needs. The school community then needs to follow this and give music the time and respect it needs. We give children time to create pieces of writing and go through the publishing process of draft through to finsihed work so why don&#039;t we do the same for music? One needs time to compose, rethink, change and re compose. Otherwise bring on the music specialist teachers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be an attitude change across the whole system. Sport is given up to 3 hours within the teaching week, far out doing the amount of time it should have and what is given to Music, Dance or Drama. Visual Arts is also given more time aswell. My experience as a teacher for 17 years, is that teachers feel comfortable teaching Vis Arts and Sport so therefore will do this over Music, Dance and Drama which they don&#8217;t feel comfortable teaching. They perceive it as being something you need to have a talent in before you can teach it.  Universities need to step up to the mark and prepare teachers to teach music properly, give it the respect it deserves and the time it needs. The school community then needs to follow this and give music the time and respect it needs. We give children time to create pieces of writing and go through the publishing process of draft through to finsihed work so why don&#8217;t we do the same for music? One needs time to compose, rethink, change and re compose. Otherwise bring on the music specialist teachers!</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by Christopher Nicholls</title>
		<link>http://www.mca.org.au/discussion/index.php/2009/10/music-and-national-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Nicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaving the other arts aside for the minute, music is a very broad topic and includes everything from music experience (whatever that is) to music performance, and includes all the things in between, such as music literacy, theory, instrument learning - including voice, percussion and a great deal more besides.

It is also an immensely complicated topic; however, lucky for us there are some excellent examples of successful systems throughout the world which we really should be examining before leaping into conclusions as to how we might deliver such things. It behoves us to do the research before we all form some sort of conclusion as to what we best could deliver in schools or in our communities - and that goes for all the Arts.

I am sure that Dick can provide a wealth of information here in the music sphere, and there are links such as this one which although annoyingly brief, do shed light on such systems:

- http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/overview+of+music+education+in+finland

and: 

http://www.musiikkioppilaitokset.org/index.php?mid=441

Interestingly Timo Klemettinen, the Managing Director, Association of Finnish Music Schools, states from the outset, that their initial problem was lack of trained music teachers, so their very first action was to spend time developing those resources which took a while before they could then deploy them. So clearly this will probably be our goal too here in Australia.

There are other countries who have tackled this problem too and have been immensely successful - for example, Venezuela&#039;s El Sistema has over 350,000 children engaged in music instrument and choral education programs across the country, through the development of a well funded nationally based youth and children&#039;s orchestral and choral music program. Over a million children have been involved in the Venezuelan system and it has produced some outstanding social and musical results. See: http://www.fesnojiv.gob.ve/en/el-sistema. Like the Finnish system, they based it on on regional music centres outside the school times rather than a school-time centric solution.

The key to everything in this is funding. Without proper funding the entire possibility for real music education will be severely limited. It was one of the key factors in both the Finnish and Venezuelan systems and will be for us too. We too need this to be made very clear from the outset.

My personal view is that we take a very gradual approach to the development of music education in the National Curriculum, develop our resources and structures as we go. Also that we utilise every music resource we can take advantage of - which includes, regional conservatoriums of music, organisations such as Music Viva, The Australian Children&#039;s Music Foundation, The Song Room, education outreach programs offered by our state orchestras, and independent orchestras. university schools of music and conservertories, and any other private worthwhile and qualified music centres offering music instruction and education... not to forget the many hundreds of private music teachers around the country who might well be the solution in themselves!

Check this out! It&#039;s a blueprint for arts legislation using external resources - licenced &quot;education providers&quot;:

http://www.musiikkioppilaitokset.org/easydata/customers/sml/files/TPOtaiteet/Laki_taiteen_perusopetuksesta_21.eng1.pdf

I also believe that an instrument and choral system in tandem are critical and music standards be based around the Australian Music Examinations Board (AMEB) mechanisms both in theory and individual instrument performance - this will make it as straight forward as possible as it is already an established mechanism for education standards and levels.

Also - technology. We need to take advantage of the new Broadband network, so we can deliver good music education to remote schools and communities as though they were in the same room and city as the offering. With high bandwidth systems, full digital videoconferencing and training courses can be delivered wonderfully across our wide brown land. It will make it far more reasonable for a school to offer multiple arts education - rather than having to pick and choose which arts subject they can manage. If someone can place the entire Australian High School Maths syllabus online (http://www.mathsonline.com.au/) we can do the same with music theory - at all levels. And that will directly address the lack of teaching resourcing.

So really there is much to think about and discuss in this topic - long before we have the debate about, &quot;which arts?&quot;

My two-penneth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving the other arts aside for the minute, music is a very broad topic and includes everything from music experience (whatever that is) to music performance, and includes all the things in between, such as music literacy, theory, instrument learning &#8211; including voice, percussion and a great deal more besides.</p>
<p>It is also an immensely complicated topic; however, lucky for us there are some excellent examples of successful systems throughout the world which we really should be examining before leaping into conclusions as to how we might deliver such things. It behoves us to do the research before we all form some sort of conclusion as to what we best could deliver in schools or in our communities &#8211; and that goes for all the Arts.</p>
<p>I am sure that Dick can provide a wealth of information here in the music sphere, and there are links such as this one which although annoyingly brief, do shed light on such systems:</p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/overview+of+music+education+in+finland" rel="nofollow">http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/overview+of+music+education+in+finland</a></p>
<p>and: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.musiikkioppilaitokset.org/index.php?mid=441" rel="nofollow">http://www.musiikkioppilaitokset.org/index.php?mid=441</a></p>
<p>Interestingly Timo Klemettinen, the Managing Director, Association of Finnish Music Schools, states from the outset, that their initial problem was lack of trained music teachers, so their very first action was to spend time developing those resources which took a while before they could then deploy them. So clearly this will probably be our goal too here in Australia.</p>
<p>There are other countries who have tackled this problem too and have been immensely successful &#8211; for example, Venezuela&#8217;s El Sistema has over 350,000 children engaged in music instrument and choral education programs across the country, through the development of a well funded nationally based youth and children&#8217;s orchestral and choral music program. Over a million children have been involved in the Venezuelan system and it has produced some outstanding social and musical results. See: <a href="http://www.fesnojiv.gob.ve/en/el-sistema" rel="nofollow">http://www.fesnojiv.gob.ve/en/el-sistema</a>. Like the Finnish system, they based it on on regional music centres outside the school times rather than a school-time centric solution.</p>
<p>The key to everything in this is funding. Without proper funding the entire possibility for real music education will be severely limited. It was one of the key factors in both the Finnish and Venezuelan systems and will be for us too. We too need this to be made very clear from the outset.</p>
<p>My personal view is that we take a very gradual approach to the development of music education in the National Curriculum, develop our resources and structures as we go. Also that we utilise every music resource we can take advantage of &#8211; which includes, regional conservatoriums of music, organisations such as Music Viva, The Australian Children&#8217;s Music Foundation, The Song Room, education outreach programs offered by our state orchestras, and independent orchestras. university schools of music and conservertories, and any other private worthwhile and qualified music centres offering music instruction and education&#8230; not to forget the many hundreds of private music teachers around the country who might well be the solution in themselves!</p>
<p>Check this out! It&#8217;s a blueprint for arts legislation using external resources &#8211; licenced &#8220;education providers&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.musiikkioppilaitokset.org/easydata/customers/sml/files/TPOtaiteet/Laki_taiteen_perusopetuksesta_21.eng1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.musiikkioppilaitokset.org/easydata/customers/sml/files/TPOtaiteet/Laki_taiteen_perusopetuksesta_21.eng1.pdf</a></p>
<p>I also believe that an instrument and choral system in tandem are critical and music standards be based around the Australian Music Examinations Board (AMEB) mechanisms both in theory and individual instrument performance &#8211; this will make it as straight forward as possible as it is already an established mechanism for education standards and levels.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; technology. We need to take advantage of the new Broadband network, so we can deliver good music education to remote schools and communities as though they were in the same room and city as the offering. With high bandwidth systems, full digital videoconferencing and training courses can be delivered wonderfully across our wide brown land. It will make it far more reasonable for a school to offer multiple arts education &#8211; rather than having to pick and choose which arts subject they can manage. If someone can place the entire Australian High School Maths syllabus online (<a href="http://www.mathsonline.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mathsonline.com.au/</a>) we can do the same with music theory &#8211; at all levels. And that will directly address the lack of teaching resourcing.</p>
<p>So really there is much to think about and discuss in this topic &#8211; long before we have the debate about, &#8220;which arts?&#8221;</p>
<p>My two-penneth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by AJS</title>
		<link>http://www.mca.org.au/discussion/index.php/2009/10/music-and-national-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>AJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it important that we do not try to solve all the music education issues, prevalent over many decades, just through the curriculum. It is really important that the actual curriculum provides current music educators (at all levels) and potential future music educators with a rich, sufficiently detailed and accurate developmental resource. There are models in existence to draw upon. The new Tasmanian document, though not perfect, is really good and certainly worth referencing. The NSW document is also worthy. The assessment models supporting the Victorian document are also excellent. And of course, the NRSM has some excellent ideas. The wheel is already a perfectly adequate shape and quite functional! Worth reviewing its development before deciding a triangle might be more effective. The curriculum needs to walk the wire between syllabus with no flexibility of content, and broad-based curriculum which lacks detail. It must concurrently cater for the needs of indigenous pupils in small communities, children in inner urban and rural communities, the musically savvy and musically deprived, all from a wealth of diverse backgrounds and with a wealth of differing musical needs. But it must also be rigorous in content. It must also be in keeping with the structure and drive of other curriculum areas or it (and the other arts) can become the elephant in the room (when we are all about aesthetics!). The curriculum should act as a springboard to help generate (demand!) the required resources and policies for its implementation - rather than the other way around (so let&#039;s punch high). I believe it is the role of all music education organisations to continue to go into bat with governments on both sides of the fence to assist generating this resourcing and, indeed, help provide it - coz then you get what you want ............................ eventually. I think your idea of extending the role of organisations such as Musica Viva in Schools, Music Room (and the orchestra education suppliers) is an excellent one, Dick, and would ameliorate a whole heap of problems for many people. Also think mentoring programs, online PD etc need to be implemented with existing classroom teachers in primary schools, rather than only targeting teacher trainees. The wondrous Music Count Us In program needs to demonstrably meet outcomes of current music (arts) curricula in the development of its resources which can be stretched beyond the teaching of one song. Good idea to advertise their significance as an ongoing music education resource, not just for a one-off event and need to be made available on this basis. This will assist with efforts for future funding. Promise I&#039;ll stop now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it important that we do not try to solve all the music education issues, prevalent over many decades, just through the curriculum. It is really important that the actual curriculum provides current music educators (at all levels) and potential future music educators with a rich, sufficiently detailed and accurate developmental resource. There are models in existence to draw upon. The new Tasmanian document, though not perfect, is really good and certainly worth referencing. The NSW document is also worthy. The assessment models supporting the Victorian document are also excellent. And of course, the NRSM has some excellent ideas. The wheel is already a perfectly adequate shape and quite functional! Worth reviewing its development before deciding a triangle might be more effective. The curriculum needs to walk the wire between syllabus with no flexibility of content, and broad-based curriculum which lacks detail. It must concurrently cater for the needs of indigenous pupils in small communities, children in inner urban and rural communities, the musically savvy and musically deprived, all from a wealth of diverse backgrounds and with a wealth of differing musical needs. But it must also be rigorous in content. It must also be in keeping with the structure and drive of other curriculum areas or it (and the other arts) can become the elephant in the room (when we are all about aesthetics!). The curriculum should act as a springboard to help generate (demand!) the required resources and policies for its implementation &#8211; rather than the other way around (so let&#8217;s punch high). I believe it is the role of all music education organisations to continue to go into bat with governments on both sides of the fence to assist generating this resourcing and, indeed, help provide it &#8211; coz then you get what you want &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. eventually. I think your idea of extending the role of organisations such as Musica Viva in Schools, Music Room (and the orchestra education suppliers) is an excellent one, Dick, and would ameliorate a whole heap of problems for many people. Also think mentoring programs, online PD etc need to be implemented with existing classroom teachers in primary schools, rather than only targeting teacher trainees. The wondrous Music Count Us In program needs to demonstrably meet outcomes of current music (arts) curricula in the development of its resources which can be stretched beyond the teaching of one song. Good idea to advertise their significance as an ongoing music education resource, not just for a one-off event and need to be made available on this basis. This will assist with efforts for future funding. Promise I&#8217;ll stop now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MUSIC AND THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM by Nicole Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.mca.org.au/discussion/index.php/2009/10/music-and-national-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a primary school music teacher I am naturally in favour of universal, high quality music education in primary schools as I daily see the benefit it give the 300 kids at my school.   However I would hate to see music become another high stakes &quot;testable&quot; subject with the same levels of anxiety that parents now have about literacy and numeracy.  The greatest thing music gives my students is a sense of joy.  Will we ever see &quot;joy&quot; listed as a curriculum outcome? 
I would also like to see better support systems for music specialists as they begin their careers. I was lucky enough to begin teaching music in Canada where the school board hires not only music teachers but city-wide music consultants who are able to offer  support and networking opportunities to music teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a primary school music teacher I am naturally in favour of universal, high quality music education in primary schools as I daily see the benefit it give the 300 kids at my school.   However I would hate to see music become another high stakes &#8220;testable&#8221; subject with the same levels of anxiety that parents now have about literacy and numeracy.  The greatest thing music gives my students is a sense of joy.  Will we ever see &#8220;joy&#8221; listed as a curriculum outcome?<br />
I would also like to see better support systems for music specialists as they begin their careers. I was lucky enough to begin teaching music in Canada where the school board hires not only music teachers but city-wide music consultants who are able to offer  support and networking opportunities to music teachers.</p>
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